GT now has a coaching vacancy

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Haney
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This board is pretty dead but maybe some folks will read this because now that GT has lost maybe their second all time best coach in Paul Johnson, they face an interesting choice. I know this is a UGA board but this is our state rival. As such, I see potential for GT to become more of a force in the ACC IF they hire a good coach AND commit the resources available to make that new coach successful. I think the new AD over there was/is willing to help and so this does impact us, although I think in mostly a positive way-WHY, because the state of GA produces a boatload of talent each and every year-UGA can only grab a select few, meanwhile our SEC rivals come in and scoop up some really good players that play against us-granted GT plays against us too but I believe them entering the recruiting market in GA helps us more than hurts us-because they might help spread the talent even more, Johnson didn't care about recruiting and also seemed to drift outside of the state to do most of his recruiting. Also, having a more traditional offense to close out our season to me is a positive-and lets be honest, we are ALWAYS going to have a talent advantage over Tech considering their facilities-which I know I mentioned the new AD is more willing to spend, but they have way too far to catch up to even middle of the road ACC schools, much less what we have in Athens. So, a better and more traditional team at the end of our schedule, is more a positive than negative-we should never lose more than 1-2 games every 10 years against them regardless of the coach there.

This brings me to another point I want to make and I say this knowing I am FAR from an expert on the academics at GT. I didn't go there but I have friends that did, but they attended back in my time, the late 80's and early 90's, in other words, before O'Leary came to be over there. O'Leary somehow got more majors added to what once was strictly engineering with some business mixed in. Here are some majors that they offer that you might not know-Applied Physiology, Applied Languages and Intercultural studies, Biology, Building construction, Business Admin (this has always been a strong school for GT, same for UGA), Chemistry, Cybersecurity, Digital Media, Literature, Media and Communications, Health Systems, Human-Computer Interaction, History, Technology and Society, International Affairs, International Affairs and Modern Languages, Literature, Media and Communications, Operations Research, and Public Policy. I am NEVER going to say ANY education at GT is easy, because I know the school is a fine academic institute, however, take a look at the football roster for them and see what the top 3 majors are for football players-

Business Administration, Literature, Media and Communications, and HIstory, Technology and Society. I am not saying these majors are soft or simple, but there is a reason most of the athletes-the bulk not all, are in these three majors.

As the coaching search continues, you are going to hear how it takes a special coach to go in to GT because of academics, Wes Durham was quoted as saying, "You're not going to pay lip service to the mission statement at Georgia Tech," he said. "When they tell you there's an academic side to the deal, there is really an academic piece to this that's not just something they say. You've got to understand that it is a unique situation.

So, I guess this is to discredit the job David Shaw has done at Stanford, or even the job David Cutcliffe has done at Duke, Pat Fitzgerald has done at Northwestern?? We all know that student athletes at all schools are not admitted to the same standards as the normal student, yep, even at GT despite what they want you to believe. We also all know that EVERY college or institution, provides tutors to all athletes-yep, even Tech.

Bottom line is this, GT can be a better football program if they make a good hire and give that hire what he needs, but if they continue to hide behind, well, we have tough academics here so we can't compete, they will continue to be exactly what they are. The ACC is horrible right now, Pitt won Tech division with a 7-5 record!!! What a joke, so they have a shot to get back to the top of that side since what other program in the Coastal looks to be on the upswing??? Miami-Richt had them looking good last year but look at this year, Pitt??, UNC has a new coach, Duke-they are doing about as good as Duke is capable, Virginia and VT-maybe, but both don't appear great by any means.

Tech has a shot to make some noise but then again, if they chose say Whisenhunt, they would have to wait until Jan to have their coach in place recruiting, and with early signing period now in mid December, this recruiting class would be a wash for the most part. Whisenhunt is a longtime friend of the AD Stansbury, he has NFL and college experience galore, but he a pro set guy-changing that offense to a pro set is going to be a mess, they will have guys leaving and it will take at least 2 years to begin to get it right, probably more like 4, the good news, is Tech fans don't have high expectations and likely would be so happy to get rid of the option, they would be patient. But basically throwing away 2-4 years, for a program that has trouble selling out their stadium and making money period to help improve facilities, it is an uphill battle. That being said, if the make a commitment to it, they could make some noise-there are SOOO many players within an hour of the GT campus that could get into that school, and might consider it if they scrap the option. Time will tell. Interested to get your thoughts AFD and others. I had to post because I am already reading so much about the "tough academics" blah, blah, blah. GT is forever using that excuse when the lose, but if they win, you never hear how tough academics are.
dawgpostsucks
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For an FBS Power 5 Conference program, Georgia Tech is relatively talent deficient. This season the Yellowjackets had 84 rated players averaging 2.92 stars per player. In comparison, Vanderbilt had the SEC's least talented roster averaging 2.99 stars per player (and UGA has the conference's most talented roster avg. 3.88 stars per player). While both teams squeezed the most out of their talent to earn bowl eligibility, their program's ceiling is limited as they lack the elite Jimmies & Joes which they need to contend for conference and national championships. For example, when Vanderbilt had James Franklin as their head football coach from 2011-'13 he secured better recruiting classes than Derek Mason has since then and earned a 24-15 overall record and a 11-13 SEC record. Since Franklin's departure, Mason has earned a 24-37 (i.e., same # of wins, but 22 more losses) overall record and 9-31 (i.e., two fewer wins, but 18 more losses) conference record with the Commodores.

As for Georgia Tech's academic hurdles, they have several peers that have found a way to field successful football programs despite the classroom challenges. For comparison's sake, reference the U.S. News & World Report's America's Best Colleges and Universities 2019 Numerical Rankings (and 2018 FBS ranking/record):

#7. Stanford (7-4)
#8. Duke (7-5)
#10. Northwestern (#21, 8-4)
#14. Vanderbilt (6-6)
#16. Rice (2-11)
#18. Notre Dame (#3, 12-0)
#19. UCLA (3-9)
#22. Cal-Berkeley (7-4)
#23. Southern Cal (5-7)
#25. Virginia (7-5)
#27T. Michigan (#7, 10-2)
#27T. Wake Forest (6-6)
#30. North Carolina (2-9)
#35T. Georgia Tech (7-5)
#35T. Florida (#9, 9-3)
#38. Boston College (7-5)
#44T. Tulane (5-7)
#46T. Georgia (#4, 11-1)

Tech simply needs to hire the best available coach, who then needs to surround himself with elite recruiters. Given that the state of Georgia produces the #1 per capita Division I-A football players per year, the Yellowjackets need not venture far to secure enough players to earn a top 15 FBS recruiting class (like UGA, Michigan, Notre Dame). String a few of those classes together and Georgia Tech will be able to compete at a much higher level than they currently are.
Haney
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Good stuff as usual AFD, but Tech fans always say because of their limited curriculum etc, but in my post I pointed out it is NOT just an engineering school any longer, they do have options for athletes as well as tutors available to the athletes at all times-simply put, it is time for them to quit hiding behind that or simply drop sports period.
Darindawg
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I actually hope they take Wisenhunt. He's ok as a OC I guess, but as a head coach at the Tennessee Titans, he was 3-20 and got fired right in the middle of the season. He has only one year of coaching experience in college football and that was one year at Vanderbilt back in the 90s.
He might be ok as a college guy, but this just doesn't jump off the page and scream 'awesome hire' in my opinion...which is good for UGA, bad for GT.
I heard some talk about the OC at Clemson...which would be a scarier hire to me. Hope that don't happen.
I think Tech is gonna have a hard time recruiting enough star players to keep up. By the team the dust settles, imagine where we are going to be. Bama comes in and recruits Georgia hard. So us and Bama get the pick of the litter. Then Auburn, Tennessee, Clemson and Florida State come in and get the leftovers. Tech then just gets the crumbs. They might can work their way up the ladder and start getting some decent players, but how long will that take? They have the unfortunate situation of being sandwiched in the middle of a triangle of 3 of the top schools in CFB right now; UGA, Bama and Clemson. Not a good place to be to try and build a program from the ground up.
dawgpostsucks
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http://ramblinwreck.com/sports/m-footbl/roster/

2018 Georgia Tech Football Roster - Major:

RS Senior 3* RB Qua Searcy - Business Administration
RS Freshman 3* DB Tre Swilling - Business Administration
RS Senior 3* DB Lamont Simmons - Business Administration
RS Sophomore 3* QB Lucas Johnson - Business Administration
Senior 3* LB Victor Alexander - Business Administration
RS Junior 3* DB Christian Campbell - Business Administration
Sophomore 4* LB Bruce Jordan-Swilling - Industrial Management
RS Freshman 3* ATH Avery Showell - Business Administration
Sophomore 3* RB Jerry Howard - Business Administration
Senior 3* QB TaQuon Marshall - Business Administration
RS Freshman 3* QB Tobias Oliver - Biomedical Engineering
RS Senior 2* RB Clinton Lynch - Business Administration
RS Senior 1* RB Melvin Davis - Business Administration
RS Senior 3* DB Jalen Johnson - Business Administration
RS Freshman 3* RB Jordan Ponchez-Mason - Business Administration
RS Senior 3* LB Tre' Jackson - Business Administration
Sophomore 3* P Pressley Harvin III - Mechanical Engineering
Sophomore 3* DB Tariq Carpenter - Undecided
RS Junior 3* FB KirVonte Benson - Literature, Media, and Communication
RS Junior 3* RB Nathan Cottrell - Business Administration
RS Junior 3* LB David Curry - Business Administration
Sophomore 3* DB Jaytlin Askew - Robotics Engineering
RS Freshman 3* DB Gentry Bonds - Business Administration
RS Sophomore 3* DB Jarrett Cole - Business Administration
RS Junior 3* RB Omahri Jarrett - Business Administration
Sophomore 2* PK Brenton King - Business Administration
RS Sophomore 2* DB Ajani Kerr - Industrial Engineering
RS Freshman 3* DB Dameon Williams - Business Administration
RS Freshman 3* DB Kaleb Oliver - Biology
Sophomore 3* LB Jaquan Henderson - Business Administration
RS Junior 3* LB Tyler Cooksey - Civil Engineering
Freshman 3* LB JaQuez Jackson - Business Management
Freshman 3* S Charlie Thomas - Business Administration
RS Sophomore 3* RB Xavier Gantt - Computer Engineering
RS Sophomore 3* LB Jakob Brashear - Business Administration
RS Senior 3* OL Andrew Marshall - Business Administration
Senior 3* LB Brant Mitchell - Mechanical Engineering
Junior 2* OL Jahaziel Lee - Business Administration
Senior 3* DL Kyle Cerge-Henderson - Business Administration
Junior 3* OL Kenny Cooper - Business Administration
Sophomore 3* OL Connor Hansen - Business Administration
RS Freshman 3* OL Mikey Minihan - Business Administration
RS Freshman 3* OL Boe Tufele - Literature, Media, and Communication
RS Junior 3* OL Scott Morgan - Business Administration
RS Junior 3* OL Brad Morgan - Business Administration
Senior 3* OL Will Bryan - Business Administration
RS Freshman 3* OL Charlie Clark - Business Administration
RS Freshman 3* OL Zach Quinney - Undecided
RS Sophomore 3* DL Josh White - Business Administration
Junior 3* OL Parker Braun - Literature, Media, and Communication
RS Sophomore 3* OL Jack DeFoor (Ole Miss transfer) - Integrated Marketing Communication
Junior 2* WR Jalen Camp - Computer Engineering
RS Freshman 2* WR Adonicas Sanders - Undecided
Senior 3* WR Brad Stewart - Mechanical Engineering
RS Sophomore 3* WR Stephen Dolphin - Mechanical Engineering
RS Sophomore 3* WR Jair Hawkins-Anderson - Business Administration
Sophomore 3* DL Antwan Owens - Biology
Junior 3* DL Brandon Adams - Biomedical Engineering
RS Freshman 3* DL Kelton Dawson - Business Administration
Freshman 3* DT T.K. Chimedza - Business Administration
Senior 3* DL Anree Saint-Armour - Industrial Engineering
RS Senior 3* DL Tyler Merriweather - Business Administration
RS Sophomore 3* DL Chris Martin - Business Administration
RS Junior 3* DL Brentavious Glanton - Business Administration
RS Sophomore 2* DL Tyler Vernon - Biology
RS Senior 3* DL Desmond Branch - Business Administration
Freshman 3* WR Malachi Carter - Media, Literature, and Communications
Freshman 3* LB Justice Dingle - Civil Engineering
Freshman 3* DL Jordan Domineck - Biomedical Engineering
Freshman 4* QB James Graham - Business Administration
Freshman 3* DL Jaquon Griffin - Undeclared engineering major
Freshman 3* WR Peje' Harris - Architecture
Freshman 3* DB Jaylen Jackson - Mechanical Engineering
Freshman 3* DL Luke Johns - Computer Engineering
Freshman 3* OL Harrison Jump - Business Administration
Freshman 4* DB Jaylon King - Civil Engineering
Freshman 3* RB Christian Malloy - Computer Science
Freshman 3* OL Michael Maye - Business Administration
Freshman 3* DL Zakk McKeehan - Business Administration
Freshman 3* DT Austin Smith - Business Management
Freshman 3* RB Dontae Smith - Undeclared engineering major
Freshman 3* DB Juanyeh Thomas - Literature, Media, and Communication
Freshman 3* DB Zamari Walton - Business Administration
Freshman 3* RB Tijai Whatley - International Business
Haney
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Good stuff AFD, I could have sworn they had some in the History, Technology and Society but by a HUGE margin it is Business Administration. You do have the Literature, Media and Communications sprinkled in-how many engineering classes you have to take for those two majors? Again, not saying either is "easy" and every Tech FR has to take calculus, but again I mention "tutors" for all classes as well. UGA or any liberal arts University obviously has more to choose from but don't say the athletes are Tech are in the same level as the general student body, which is the same for ALL schools. Even my Tech friends laugh at the athletes in comparison to them-rarely did they ever have a class with a student athlete.
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