He sounds pretty excited about the new roster. He thinks we have improved the roster quite a bit. He expressed excitement to see the team play. Long, athletic guys who can shoot and defend are the current desirables basketball. We will have a number of guys who fit that bill.
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Bet it wasn't Juwan lol
Good bet. I mean, what do we expect Fox's players to say? Personally, I would appreciate a little more school loyalty. Juwan got a couple of degrees on our dime.
Considering how many millions of our dimes Fox received, it would have been nice if he had not salted the earth on his way out with players and recruits.Monkdawg said:
Good bet. I mean, what do we expect Fox's players to say? Personally, I would appreciate a little more school loyalty. Juwan got a couple of degrees on our dime.
Very true. I've heard some stories. He didn't handle his firing with much professionalism, let's just say.
If a DGD is drowning and Tom Crean and Juwan Parker are there.... which one do you think is jumping in to save them?
Crean is 14-40 and just had 4 starters leave because they can't stand his a$$. Mark Fox "salted the earth with players and recruits"? WTH!!! Crean signed a 5 star, four 4 star plus another two 3 star players his first year here in Athens. He didn't do anything with the #1 draft pick on the team and the other six players are gone!! And you wanna blame Mark Fox?
I assure you Juwan Parker and/or Mark Fox have nothing to do with the failure(s) of Tom Crean.
Crean is 14-40 and just had 4 starters leave because they can't stand his a$$. Mark Fox "salted the earth with players and recruits"? WTH!!! Crean signed a 5 star, four 4 star plus another two 3 star players his first year here in Athens. He didn't do anything with the #1 draft pick on the team and the other six players are gone!! And you wanna blame Mark Fox?
I assure you Juwan Parker and/or Mark Fox have nothing to do with the failure(s) of Tom Crean.
Really? You just know intuitively that these players left because they hate Crean? Maybe check your facts first. Again, if Crean is so bad, do you think JAR's uncle (who coached under Crean and recruited many in that freshman class 2 years ago) would let him come to Athens? Crean has said he made a mistake bringing in so many freshmen a couple of years ago. They weren't mature enough to handle playing at our level in their freshman years. Several were not as good as their ratings. Several were prima donnas. Several were just not good fits in Athens. None were ready to play defense in the SEC. How about we see how this year's team does? There's plenty of time to jump on Crean if they fail. Personally, I think Crean saw that last year's roster would not have won for him this coming season, so he made big changes to it. Let's see if he did the right thing before we burn him at the stake.
SVD doesn't let too many facts get in the way of his CDS (Crean Derangement Syndrome).
The fact is UGA had one losing record in the previous six seasons before HTC. How is it one can blame the only coach in UGA history to have a graduating class without a losing conference record and not the one who has gone 14-40 and just had his entire team walk out on him?
We are a lock to be predicted 14th in the league this year and are likely to finish there.
We are a lock to be predicted 14th in the league this year and are likely to finish there.
And anyone who expected Crean to be successful in his 1st 3 years just doesn't know basketball or Crean's history. He took over a dumpster fire at IU, and it took him 4 years to turn it around. Our roster was depleted when Crean got to Athens; all he had his 1st season was a sophomore in Claxton who was just coming into his own. The rest of the roster was basically garbage. That's what Fox left us. Crean and Fox play different styles. Fox's players couldn't play Crean's style of ball. Fox plays very deliberate style, tries to slow the game down and keep it close with hopes of winning in the last 2 minutes. That's not Crean. He had to make over the roster. It takes time. But when his style clicks, as it did in Marquette and IU, he wins.
When Claxton went to the NBA early, that wrecked our shot to be successful his second season, and bringing in a ton a freshmen didn't help. Most of that team's roster was freshman. That won't work in a league as competitive as the SEC. Yet, our record did get better. Last season, we had a team that largely didn't get along and was uncoachable. Yet, still we improved. Yes, many of those players left, but were we really going to improve with that roster? Probably not. We didn't shoot well enough; we were not good enough defensively; I think that roster had maxed out its potential. So, Crean blew it up. And we are an improved roster going into this coming season. How has your boy Foxy at Cal last season? Oh yeah, last.... That's 2 terrible seasons for him. He'll be lucky to get beyond a 3rd. And he and his wife trashed UGA on their way out after working for us for 9 years and earning millions. Classy!
I don't really care where we are predicted to finish. I care about where we finish.
When Claxton went to the NBA early, that wrecked our shot to be successful his second season, and bringing in a ton a freshmen didn't help. Most of that team's roster was freshman. That won't work in a league as competitive as the SEC. Yet, our record did get better. Last season, we had a team that largely didn't get along and was uncoachable. Yet, still we improved. Yes, many of those players left, but were we really going to improve with that roster? Probably not. We didn't shoot well enough; we were not good enough defensively; I think that roster had maxed out its potential. So, Crean blew it up. And we are an improved roster going into this coming season. How has your boy Foxy at Cal last season? Oh yeah, last.... That's 2 terrible seasons for him. He'll be lucky to get beyond a 3rd. And he and his wife trashed UGA on their way out after working for us for 9 years and earning millions. Classy!
I don't really care where we are predicted to finish. I care about where we finish.
That "garbage" roster that Crean was left?? Claxton, Ogbeide, Hammonds, Harris, Crump, Jackson, Hightower, Wilridge.... hell, I'd take Mike Edwards about now. That group of players should not have gone 2-16. Our roster the following year should not have been 5-13. Crean struck out with all six signees (four 4* & two 3*) in his first class. Six signees and six gone is on Crean, it ain't got sh;+ to do with the previous staff.
HTC followed one of the most successful stretches in our, admittedly sad, history and he has failed miserably. To believe we have improved our roster this year is delusional. We do not have anyone better than Wheeler, Johnson or Camara coming in, not even close! A roster of Claxton, Ogbeide, Hammonds, Harris, Crump, Wilridge, Jackson, Hightower, etc looks damn promising by comparison.
HTC followed one of the most successful stretches in our, admittedly sad, history and he has failed miserably. To believe we have improved our roster this year is delusional. We do not have anyone better than Wheeler, Johnson or Camara coming in, not even close! A roster of Claxton, Ogbeide, Hammonds, Harris, Crump, Wilridge, Jackson, Hightower, etc looks damn promising by comparison.
Isn't it wonderful that one of you two will be able to say "I told you so" a year from now?
Fat Doc 18 said:
Isn't it wonderful that one of you two will be able to say "I told you so" a year from now?
7 months... it'll be clear by February at the latest
No offense, but I hope monkdawg will be right, but either way it's a win/win
The fact that you say you would take Mike Edwards right now does not exactly help your case. Says a lot about your judgment.
And have you seen any of the new players play extensively? No? Yet, you are positive that they are worse than Wheeler, Camara and Johnson? I maintain it is really stupid to criticize them without having seen them play. I believe I will hold any criticism until I have watched them perform on the court. I will stick with my "delusion" until I actually have reason to abandon it.
And have you seen any of the new players play extensively? No? Yet, you are positive that they are worse than Wheeler, Camara and Johnson? I maintain it is really stupid to criticize them without having seen them play. I believe I will hold any criticism until I have watched them perform on the court. I will stick with my "delusion" until I actually have reason to abandon it.
Harris had some good games. Crump and Jackson were a bit disappointing IMO. I don't remember Wilredge being a factor, especially offensively. I would also argue that Hammonds never reached his potential at UGA. Seems like we had a few 4 star recruits that played more like 3 stars. Conversely, I believe Claxton was a 3 star that ended up being much better than that 4 star group.
Is Crean the only coach in the nation with freshmen on his team? No. Good coach recruit and mold. Crean has done neither. If a recruit doesn't pan out...who's fault is it? The coach, that's their recruit and it's his program...making it his problem.
I want Georgia to have a coach that has gone to several sweet sixteens or a final four. That would make them a proven winner. When will we have a coach like that?
Sid Vicious , Mark Fox was at UGA when the SEC was as bad in BB as it had been in 15-20 years!! He finishes 2nd one season behind KY and DOES NOT get an NCAA bid!! He was mediocre at best and we were out recruiting Furman, Appalachian State, Western Carolina and others for players!! That was Mark Fox and his wife thought she should be UGA Athletic Director!! She was an Assistant director at NEVADA which qualifies her to be on the City Council OF BOGART!! GOOD RIDDANCE and a WASTE of about $20 MiILLION !! Attendance averaged about 6500 for Fox and OVER 9500 for Crean!! Fox couldn't even beat BELMONT Music School out of Nashville in the NCAA when he did make it!! Pass it around for 25 seconds, then Jack up a 3 pt shot and run the other way!! Keep it in the 50's!! FOX BALL!! WOW!!
You still bloviating about a coach that's been gone going on 4 years now?? You need to be concerned with Nate Oats, Bruce Pearl, Rick Barnes, Eric Musselman, etc.
And, you should be concerned with Tom Crean.
Cindy Fox... not so much.
And, you should be concerned with Tom Crean.
Cindy Fox... not so much.
As much as I liked Harris and Crump, as fellow South Georgians, they never lived up to expectations. I wanted so much for them to succeed. Jackson probably never came back all the way from his HS knee injury, and he too never was as good as expected. It's why Georgetown backed off him. Wilridge really did nothing of note. There are countless recruits under Fox we can say that about. Hammonds never played well in big games. As you say, many of these guys did not play to their rating. Claxton got better under Crean; Fox didn't play him much his freshman year. He likely wouldn't have become without a coach who took off the leash.dawglegright said:
Harris had some good games. Crump and Jackson were a bit disappointing IMO. I don't remember Wilredge being a factor, especially offensively. I would also argue that Hammonds never reached his potential at UGA. Seems like we had a few 4 star recruits that played more like 3 stars. Conversely, I believe Claxton was a 3 star that ended up being much better than that 4 star group.
Of course, Crean isn't the only coach with freshman. But when you bring in 7-8 in one season who have to play important roles right off the bat, that is a mistake, even for the Dukes and UKs of the world. Coaches can recruit the wrong guys; players just may not ultimately be that good - often over-rated. Not everyone develops the way you want. Not every player will do what is necessary to get there. Not every player responds. And sure, coaches may not figure out how best to get through to a particular player.Dawg-E-Dawg said:
Is Crean the only coach in the nation with freshmen on his team? No. Good coach recruit and mold. Crean has done neither. If a recruit doesn't pan out...who's fault is it? The coach, that's their recruit and it's his program...making it his problem.
Claxton played 15 minutes per game his freshman year, pretty strong minutes considering we had POY Yante Maten in front of him. Yante also went from 5pg as a frosh to 16.5pg as a sophomore compared to Claxton's 4pg frosh to 13pg soph. I credit the year in S&C w/ Coach Hayes and Jonas' tutelage for both players frosh to soph improvement.
As far as freshman playing major minutes? Crean's first year had nine players getting 10 minutes per game or more and zero were freshmen. Crean's second year had nine players averaging 10mpg or more with only Edwards, Wheeler and Camara included in that group.
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As far as freshman playing major minutes? Crean's first year had nine players getting 10 minutes per game or more and zero were freshmen. Crean's second year had nine players averaging 10mpg or more with only Edwards, Wheeler and Camara included in that group.
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So when Felton's impact players left after Fox's first 2 years, he followed up, with his recruits, with losing season's in years 3 and 4, and UGA still kept him for 5 additional years, even with his abysmal post season success. If Crean follows his year 3 winning season improvement with a losing season in year four, I think most will agree he needs to shown the door.SidViciousDawg said:
The fact is UGA had one losing record in the previous six seasons before HTC. How is it one can blame the only coach in UGA history to have a graduating class without a losing conference record and not the one who has gone 14-40 and just had his entire team walk out on him?
We are a lock to be predicted 14th in the league this year and are likely to finish there.
But at least he showed he could win in his 3rd year with his own players. We all know he is getting this 4th year to prove he can get the job done. If not he will be gone. If you are so sure he can't, why don't you just follow another program for a season until Crean is done, and then come back with your "I told you so". Do you enjoy just being a negative nancy, more than supporting and hoping for success for the school you follow?
Claxton's minutes were probably limited by Fox's devotion to the notion that freshmen should only learn 1 position. I take nothing away from Jonas's work or Sean Hayes's work, but Claxton made a drastic jump from his freshman to his sophomore year - enough to get himself drafted. You cite zero freshmen getting big minutes in Crean's 1st year. Well, that might be because he didn't really recruit most of that class. Ngumezi was nuts, and JoJo Toppin was a lost cause - they were both holdovers from Fox's class. Sargiunas didn't have the speed to compete as just last-minute roster filler. No freshmen deserved big minutes, regardless of who the coach was. And that group of 3 freshmen you cited in Crean's 2nd year averaged over 24 minutes each per game. That's probably more than any freshman averaged under Fox in his entire 9 years at UGA.SidViciousDawg said:
Claxton played 15 minutes per game his freshman year, pretty strong minutes considering we had POY Yante Maten in front of him. Yante also went from 5pg as a frosh to 16.5pg as a sophomore compared to Claxton's 4pg frosh to 13pg soph. I credit the year in S&C w/ Coach Hayes and Jonas' tutelage for both players frosh to soph improvement.
As far as freshman playing major minutes? Crean's first year had nine players getting 10 minutes per game or more and zero were freshmen. Crean's second year had nine players averaging 10mpg or more with only Edwards, Wheeler and Camara included in that group.
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