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Monkdawg
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I know, right. In the past, I have been very critical of our Dawgs under various coaches, but it was always, I think, after a coach had proven he could not succeed or if I saw something wrong with the coach's system. I never thought Jirsa was up to the task, and the same went for Felton. Felton was in his 6th year when we pulled the trigger on his firing. I had high hopes for Fox; I was at the press conference when he and his staff were introduced to boosters. But, over time, he had systemic issues, personality issues and recruiting issues.

Let me tell a little story about Fox. One year, fairly early in his tenure, he took the team on a summer trip to Italy. I was a couple of years removed from prostate cancer surgery, and I had always wanted to do some European traveling. There was a company that was putting together travel packages revolving around seeing the team play its games in Italy. I signed up for it, but the trip fell through because not enough fans signed up to make it financially viable. Well, I decided to use their itinerary to plan my own trip, with some other stuff thrown in. I went over on my own. To my knowledge, I was the only UGA fan who was not affiliated with the team who went; I saw no one else. I missed the first 2 games, one outside of Venice that I just couldn't get to, and one in a little town called Montecito. I went to Montecito but could not find the game. No one there knew anything about it, so I missed it. I had bumped into the team both in Florence, as they were coming out of a museum that I was going into (where Michelangelo's sculpture of David is located) and in Cortona, where UGA actually has a program, which was cool. I finally caught up to the team in Rome and went to their game at a little out of the way gym. I took a taxi to the game but could not get a taxi out there to pick me up. Fox graciously agreed to give me a ride back to Rome, but he didn't look happy about it. But I had a great trip.

Flash forward 4 years.... The team was taking another overseas trip, this time to Spain. I had gone to Spain and Portugal the year before on a vacation, but I decided to go back to see the team play. I happened to stay at the same hotel as the team in Madrid, and I bumped into Fox on the elevator. Again, I was the only fan to make the trip over, although there were a couple of fans already in Spain who went to a game. Fox basically said "Hi" but not much else. The players would play cards in the lobby a lot, and I would bump into them and watch their games and just chit chat with them. Later that day or the next, Fox had one of the assistants come over to me and tell me that Fox didn't want me to have any interaction with the players, as if I would violate some kind of NCAA rule just by talking to them, even though I knew several of the players personally. Now, I don't know about you or how you would react, but I wasn't very happy with Fox about that. I undertook a major effort and expense twice, and Fox showed absolutely no appreciation for it. I was already convinced by that time that Fox would not succeed at UGA, and he was fired a year or two later. That's my Fox story.
dawglegright
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Which previous Georgia basketball coaches came in and won right away (first 2-3 years)?

Tubby is the only one that comes to mind.

Dawg-E-Dawg
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So are you implying that Crean can get an extension with a losing record?
Monkdawg
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Harrick and Durham won pretty early, and they were recruiting pretty well, so you could see what was coming down the road. Fox was in the NCAA tourney in his 2nd year with mostly Felton's players.
Dawg-E-Dawg
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Fox is socially awkward guy so I would take it to heart. You can't say that to dude didn't love his players; all be it, tough love sometimes. Felton was a straight up a-hole...he was going to get the ax sooner but lucked up in the SEC tournament and won...that just bought him an additional year. I've got tons of Felton and Fox stories if you ever want to hear them Monk.
dawglegright
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Harrick had a good year 3, but years 1 and 2 he was 26-35.

Where did you contract extension out of a simple question about previous coaches?
Monkdawg
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If Jumaine Jones had decided to stay around for Harrick's 1st season, that record would have been better. Jones would have also done himself a favor. Harrick had to rebuild the roster. He had to bring in JUCOs to help him in the post; they were solid but undersized. It was not until Jarvis and Jonas Hayes became eligible after their transfers, combined with younger guys growing up (Ezra Williams, Steve Thomas, Rashad Wright), that our teams began to really win.
Monkdawg
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Dawg-E-Dawg said:

Fox is socially awkward guy so I would take it to heart. You can't say that to dude didn't love his players; all be it, tough love sometimes. Felton was a straight up a-hole...he was going to get the ax sooner but lucked up in the SEC tournament and won...that just bought him an additional year. I've got tons of Felton and Fox stories if you ever want to hear them Monk.
I realize Fox is an introvert. I don't have a problem with that. But he functioned pretty well as the MC of the pre- and post-season team banquets. He told quite a few funny stories about the players and coaches at those events. I just couldn't believe how he handled that situation.

You are right about Felton. I've told this story before, but when he was first hired, he was at a UGA baseball game and decided to take some call-in questions on the air. There weren't many people calling so I called in with 5 questions, and he gave crappy answers to all of them. I knew then he would never make it.

Always open to hearing stories.... LOL
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blackmountaindawg said:

The team has not even played a game and anyone waving the white flag 4 months before the season must have PTSD from decades of bad results. Some on this forum must be butt-hurt 'cause most of the players on a team that only won 7 SEC games left? Do any of you think Crean ought to be fired this Summer, or maybe just shut down the program for a year and see if he, or a new coach, can rebuild with some more high school 4 stars that left, like Brown and Walton?

Some here must live a very depressing lives to give up before the first tip-off. Can't folks wait until the first loss to start whining, moaning, and groaning?



I'm interested to see what this group can do. On paper it is the weakest assemblage of talent I can recently recall for an SEC Team. Firing Crean is nowhere on the table this summer, nor should it be. He should not have been fired at the end of season 3. The "improvement each season" is/was about the only defense Crean had going for him, so going from 2 wins to 5 wins to 7 wins and then basically the whole team quitting on you. That's a huge red flag.

PTSD from decades of bad results? We had one losing conference season in six years. I went to a stretch of around 25 straight SEC Tourneys. Excluding the tornado year, we only played on Saturday twice in 20 plus years. Then we had a stretch of three in a row where we reached the semis, which I thoroughly enjoyed, all in the last decade. There were several years in a row where we were a real threat to win it. We always seem to hit KY in the semis and bow out. But I was proud to be seen wearing that G in ATL or Nville or NO. Those Marcus, Nemi, Kenny, JJ, Charles, Yante. etc, teams were damn good and among my favorite ever. I enjoy watching 4 year players mature. That has certainly been out the window with Crean.

There's a few of you who have certainly mellowed, or changed meds. How y'all very loudly b:+chef and moaned through a 12-6, 11-7, 10-8, 9-9 stretch and now try to shut down anyone who's criticizing this 14-40 stretch is ridiculous.
blackmountaindawg
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College Hoops' regular season is for mainly one thing,,,getting a decent seed in the Tourney. Forget seedings with Fox. He put up NCAA appearance % per season that were almost half of what we had during Durham's first 8 years, Tubby's, and JH's. So as lousy as our NCAAT bids have been at UGA, Fox could barely surpass half of that sad number. To think we would fire a Coach, with better NCAAT numbers than the entire history of UGA, after 3 years is absurd.
Monkdawg
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SidViciousDawg said:

blackmountaindawg said:

The team has not even played a game and anyone waving the white flag 4 months before the season must have PTSD from decades of bad results. Some on this forum must be butt-hurt 'cause most of the players on a team that only won 7 SEC games left? Do any of you think Crean ought to be fired this Summer, or maybe just shut down the program for a year and see if he, or a new coach, can rebuild with some more high school 4 stars that left, like Brown and Walton?

Some here must live a very depressing lives to give up before the first tip-off. Can't folks wait until the first loss to start whining, moaning, and groaning?



I'm interested to see what this group can do. On paper it is the weakest assemblage of talent I can recently recall for an SEC Team. Firing Crean is nowhere on the table this summer, nor should it be. He should not have been fired at the end of season 3. The "improvement each season" is/was about the only defense Crean had going for him, so going from 2 wins to 5 wins to 7 wins and then basically the whole team quitting on you. That's a huge red flag.

PTSD from decades of bad results? We had one losing conference season in six years. I went to a stretch of around 25 straight SEC Tourneys. Excluding the tornado year, we only played on Saturday twice in 20 plus years. Then we had a stretch of three in a row where we reached the semis, which I thoroughly enjoyed, all in the last decade. There were several years in a row where we were a real threat to win it. We always seem to hit KY in the semis and bow out. But I was proud to be seen wearing that G in ATL or Nville or NO. Those Marcus, Nemi, Kenny, JJ, Charles, Yante. etc, teams were damn good and among my favorite ever. I enjoy watching 4 year players mature. That has certainly been out the window with Crean.

There's a few of you who have certainly mellowed, or changed meds. How y'all very loudly b:+chef and moaned through a 12-6, 11-7, 10-8, 9-9 stretch and now try to shut down anyone who's criticizing this 14-40 stretch is ridiculous.

IMHO it incorrect and overly simplistic to make the claim that the "whole team quit" on Crean. They didn't leave together en masse. They each left for different reasons, and none of the 9 that left went to the same team as any other. That's a pretty big tell in itself. Last year's "team" was not a team; they were a bunch of individuals playing together. They put individual stats and goals ahead of team accomplishments. That's why they left, at least the good ones. Players were thinking about being in the NBA rather than thinking about winning games for UGA. They weren't willing to subsume their egos for the good of the team. Fagan wanted to start and wasn't good enough to start next year at UGA. That's why he left. The rest, who were mostly bench players and contributed little, are simply no loss. They added nothing to the team. Crean needed a new roster to have a chance to win, and he has accomplished that.

Those gaudy SEC records of Fox's were recorded against a weak conference, and they didn't help us make the NCAA tourney. As the SEC got better, our record got worse. And he wasn't recruiting well. I don't think anyone is happy or satisfied with Crean's SEC record. I am not and have said so many times. He has to start winning. He's trying to give himself a chance. I want to see better shooting and better defense. I think this group can do that.
neKKiDawg
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Although it is possible that this new assemblage of talent (or lack thereof, if you listen to some) will fail as a team, it was obvious 2/3s through this past season that last season's assumed returnees would not get UGA in the big dance in 2022. It is no secret that if this new group does not succeed, AD Brooks will be hiring a new coach in 2022. I see no reason not to get behind this team and coach and try to enjoy the season (unless someone dislikes the coach so much they would rather see UGA lose versus the coach & team succeed).
blackmountaindawg
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Dawg-E-Dawg said:

News flash...the guy was fired from Indiana for losing.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/99253570
blackmountaindawg
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IU fans would die now to have the same results Crean had. They thought they could find another Bobby Knight. They haven't had the success Knight and Crean had, and probably never will.
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