Agreed on that.

Dean Legge said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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The idea that you can wear a mask effectively while participating in a MLB game is crazy.

We need to give up on the mask thing for sports. It's not a real solution in anyway.

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Well they can sure as hell have it on in the dugout.

And the guys not playing should be in the stands.

Either they want to do this or they don't.

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So they wear them in a dugout, okay.

When they go to the field, where do the masks go so that they don't get contaminated?

Or do they get a new mask when they come back to the dugout?

I assume while batting, they need to wear a mask. They are close to players and umps not only while batting but also when on base.

Would you be happy if your doctor used this practice?

You go to the doctor for a torn ACL, they come into the exam room (dugout) and put on the mask they've been using all day (game). Once you guys are done and she is about to leave (Field/Bat), she takes off the mask, sits it on the counter (bench/cubby area...idk where) for the next time she is coming into the room (dugout) to see a patient. Also, this exam room is actually the waiting room (dugout) where there are lots of other people, but they are wearing masks and we are hoping they are doing it properly.

If the question is, does it make you feel better to be wearing a mask? Sure. Is it actually working when doing it improperly? That's up for debate.

Like you said, you have to do it right. This would not be doing it right.

I've almost finished my first scarf...

Macrame wall hanging is next. Look for my stuff on Etsy!

All kidding aside, I really enjoyed watching baseball this weekend and this Marlin news is just another swfit kick in the nuts.

Imagine steamrolling Bama in Tuscaloosa and the very next week the season gets called because of some outbreak.

I'll lose my sh$t if that were to happen.

cantonk9 said:

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I've almost finished my first scarf...

Macrame wall hanging is next. Look for my stuff on Etsy!

All kidding aside, I really enjoyed watching baseball this weekend and this Marlin news is just another swfit kick in the nuts.

Imagine steamrolling Bama in Tuscaloosa and the very next week the season gets called because of some outbreak.

I'll lose my sh$t if that were to happen.

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The problem for me is different.

If you continue the season, but say Trevor Lawerence gets COVID the day before they play a good team (do they?) and Clemson loses. He recovers and tests negative before the next game. Well that really sucks for Clemson. They likely don't lose that game with TL.

What if it's the ACC title, or playoff, or national title?

What if half the staers on Georgia D get COVID before the SECC and we lose for the first time? We've blown out everyone, including Bama early season who we just lost to in the SECC. Do we get in the playoffs? Does Bama get in the playoffs over us?

Just a weird season especially in college football where individual players mean a lot.

And just because I know the response is coming, this is nothing like an injury that occurs. When Jacob Eason got hurt, the OL didn't all tear their ACL.

Is anyone symptomatic?

I mean, what did people expect? Healthy people are going to test positive. It should have never been a "what if people test positive." But rather, what are we going to do with players that are healthy and test positive? If this is how we are going to do things, then just call off sports before any season begins, because this is the new normal folks. Being COVID positive is not a death sentence. And PCR testing healthy individuals accomplishes nothing but create fear for a virus that isn't a killer. We shouldn't be doing it. Period.

As for immunity...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/your-coronavirus-antibodies-are-disappearing-should-you-care/ar-BB17cyyc?li=BBnb7Kz

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-not-considering-canceling-season-after-marlins-coronavirus-outbreak-182530086.html

I 100% get where you are coming from. If a positive test(s) with no symptoms stops everything, then we are in a weird place.

I'm not a doctor so I have no idea, but does anyone know the percentage of people who are positive, yet asymptomatic, for other viruses? My guess is no. Why would you ever test for that, but its a good question I think.

How many people a year get the seasonal flu and are asymptomatic? I have no idea.

I know the R naught of a virus is the figure to look at. I'm not sure how that is calculated or if asymptotic people play a role in it. If they do, that would seem odd since you would treat heavily tested viruses differently.

Again, I have no idea. Maybe someone does.

Call up the minor league guys. They all have AAA affiliates, draft picks who would love their shot. Bring 'em up and let 'em play.

Same for CFB. 2020 may be the year a dang walkon wins the heisman.

Antibodies are only one piece of the puzzle. There is a growing amount of evidence that the longer lasting T cells provide protection as well.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

CummingDawg22 said:

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HoosierDawg said:

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If MLB doesn't work, I have a hard time seeing college football happening. Logistics for it are arguably harder than any other sports league.

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MLB isn't working.

College football won't work either.

It sucks, but I think its time for people to accept this.

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Define "working".

So plan for and play through. What NO ONE is talking about is the fact that this virus isn't going away. Let it run its course. The only thing stayingnat home does is put you on the clock for when you do get it.
The only way through this is through it.

Those who are susceptible be cautious. Otherwise let things roll you have to to get to the other side of this.

Trackdawg073 said:

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Personally I just want to beat bama and if we steamroll them in tusky and the season gets called I'm calling us the national champions

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Unless UCF is also undefeated, of course.

Trackdawg073 said:

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Antibodies are only one piece of the puzzle. There is a growing amount of evidence that the longer lasting T cells provide protection as well.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

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That's a good study. But it's a head scratcher to me how many "experts" completely ignore cellular immunity. That's what imparts long-term immunity. Not antibodies.

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I 100% get where you are coming from. If a positive test(s) with no symptoms stops everything, then we are in a weird place.

I'm not a doctor so I have no idea, but does anyone know the percentage of people who are positive, yet asymptomatic, for other viruses? My guess is no. Why would you ever test for that, but its a good question I think.

How many people a year get the seasonal flu and are asymptomatic? I have no idea.

I know the R naught of a virus is the figure to look at. I'm not sure how that is calculated or if asymptotic people play a role in it. If they do, that would seem odd since you would treat heavily tested viruses differently.

Again, I have no idea. Maybe someone does.

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Asymptomatic positives are not unique to COVID. It's quite common.

According to this reference it appears that as many as 50% of seasonal flu infections are asymptomatic.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/2005/cbnreport_103105.html

This all being said, we need to figure out as a society what risk we are willing to accept with the virus vs the risk of poor emotional and mental health that we are seeing right now.

jt10mc said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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HoosierDawg said:

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If MLB doesn't work, I have a hard time seeing college football happening. Logistics for it are arguably harder than any other sports league.

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MLB isn't working.

College football won't work either.

It sucks, but I think its time for people to accept this.

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Define "working".

So plan for and play through. What NO ONE is talking about is the fact that this virus isn't going away. Let it run its course. The only thing stayingnat home does is put you on the clock for when you do get it.
The only way through this is through it.

Those who are susceptible be cautious. Otherwise let things roll you have to to get to the other side of this.

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I'm not advocating stopping the season.

I'm defining working by what it seems to me people want that definition to be. It seems they want that to be zero cases or you stop.

ColonialDawg said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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I 100% get where you are coming from. If a positive test(s) with no symptoms stops everything, then we are in a weird place.

I'm not a doctor so I have no idea, but does anyone know the percentage of people who are positive, yet asymptomatic, for other viruses? My guess is no. Why would you ever test for that, but its a good question I think.

How many people a year get the seasonal flu and are asymptomatic? I have no idea.

I know the R naught of a virus is the figure to look at. I'm not sure how that is calculated or if asymptotic people play a role in it. If they do, that would seem odd since you would treat heavily tested viruses differently.

Again, I have no idea. Maybe someone does.

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Asymptomatic positives are not unique to COVID. It's quite common.

According to this reference it appears that as many as 50% of seasonal flu infections are asymptomatic.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/2005/cbnreport_103105.html

This all being said, we need to figure out as a society what risk we are willing to accept with the virus vs the risk of poor emotional and mental health that we are seeing right now.

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My bigger point is, if 50% of the persons infected by seasonal flu are asymptomatic, how many were really tested? Thus, how many cases go undetected every year? We sure do not test for it the way we have COVID.

It seems, if that number is true, the number of cases would sky rocket making it "more contagious."

If you take away the R Naught from COVID and put it at what the seasonal flu is, it is no longer that scary. If you put the seasonal flu at the R Naught of COVID, the seasonal flu becomes pretty scary under the current view.

This isn't MERS SARS or Ebola which had 35%, 15%, and 50% case fatality rates.

According to John Hopkins, the United States is at a 3.5% case fatality rate. That ranks ahead the majority of our peer nations.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

It's a head scratcher how many "experts" legitimately have no idea what they are talking about

Trackdawg073 said:

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It's a head scratcher how many "experts" legitimately have no idea what they are talking about

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Experts are wrong all of the time. That's one reason people get a second opinion. They're right more often than the average schlub, but experts get a lot of things wrong. Public sees the word expert and they think that person is flawless.

Houston Dr standing with a group of other Dr's today insist that we already have a cure for this disease.

Trackdawg073 said:

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Definitely more than three, considering there are still no officially documented cases of reinfection now 6 months after this started. By the law of averages we should have had ateast a couple by now, and you know the media would trumpet this if it did happen. What this really proves is what I have been saying all along, there is nothing you can do to stop this virus so we all just need to learn to live with it. It's like rain, or sunshine, or volcanoes. The sooner we all come to grips with this the sooner we can all get back to normal.

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First, how are you living with volcano's? Just curious. Do you frequently visit them? Especially when they are active?

We use umbrellas in the rain and sunscreen in the sun. So your analogy is spot on. We should take precautions, not just learn to live with it unless you mean social distancing, hand washing, and masks. But I believe you mean, we just live our lives normally, "que sera sera".

Proper precautions are almost impossible to do with any sport. Not to mention 1/2 the football players have a major co-morbidity....obesity. The only way this works without a vaccine is for players to just accept the fact they will contract it and waive liability.

Also, "the media" isnt the problem. 195 countries in the world all conspiring with their media to spread false claims? OK......

CummingDawg22 said:

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ColonialDawg said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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I 100% get where you are coming from. If a positive test(s) with no symptoms stops everything, then we are in a weird place.

I'm not a doctor so I have no idea, but does anyone know the percentage of people who are positive, yet asymptomatic, for other viruses? My guess is no. Why would you ever test for that, but its a good question I think.

How many people a year get the seasonal flu and are asymptomatic? I have no idea.

I know the R naught of a virus is the figure to look at. I'm not sure how that is calculated or if asymptotic people play a role in it. If they do, that would seem odd since you would treat heavily tested viruses differently.

Again, I have no idea. Maybe someone does.

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Asymptomatic positives are not unique to COVID. It's quite common.

According to this reference it appears that as many as 50% of seasonal flu infections are asymptomatic.

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/2005/cbnreport_103105.html

This all being said, we need to figure out as a society what risk we are willing to accept with the virus vs the risk of poor emotional and mental health that we are seeing right now.

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My bigger point is, if 50% of the persons infected by seasonal flu are asymptomatic, how many were really tested? Thus, how many cases go undetected every year? We sure do not test for it the way we have COVID.

It seems, if that number is true, the number of cases would sky rocket making it "more contagious."

If you take away the R Naught from COVID and put it at what the seasonal flu is, it is no longer that scary. If you put the seasonal flu at the R Naught of COVID, the seasonal flu becomes pretty scary under the current view.

This isn't MERS SARS or Ebola which had 35%, 15%, and 50% case fatality rates.

According to John Hopkins, the United States is at a 3.5% case fatality rate. That ranks ahead the majority of our peer nations.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

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Right, but we have to be careful confusing case fatality rate vs infection fatality rate. The latter is the true measure of fatality. COVID is around 0.2-0.4% (and some believe it is actually lower). Influenza is even lower, of course, but not significantly. I'm not that concerned about how contagious COVID is. If 99% who get it are either asymptomatic or have mild symptoms then I'm not sure what we are afraid of. If we tested everyone for influenza (regardless of symptoms) then I'm sure that would freak out a lot of people. And I know some will talk about how there is an influenza vaccine - that is true, but what percentage of people actually get it? I do because I have small children at home. No way am I getting vaccinated for COVID. My kids are not at risk and if I get it I have a greater chance of dying driving to the testing site.

We are literally talking about shutting everything down again over 150,000 deaths in a country of 330,000,000 people. Median age of those who have died is 80 years of age. Almost no children have been affected. That doesn't make sense to me.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality


United States case fatality ratio is 3.4%

Good that its going down.