Indiana Hoosiers fired HC Archie Miller

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dawgpostsucks
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Tom Crean's successor compiled an overall 67-56 record (33-43 record in Big Ten games) in four years w/ the Hoosiers. He will receive a $10M buyout from the school.

https://iuhoosiers.com/news/2021/3/15/mens-basketball-statement-from-indiana-university-vice-president-and-director-of-intercollegiate-athletics-scott-dolson.aspx
Dean Legge
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Had to
Nostradawgus
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It's a crap shoot. I would have predicted high achievement at IU coming off that Dayton success.

The Glory years of the General are proving elusive.
GoodDawg4733
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Was he the guy that was at Dayton before?
dawgpostsucks
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GoodDawg4733 said:

Was he the guy that was at Dayton before?
Yes
HoosierDawg
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IU world is in full rejoice mode. Things were getting out of this world toxic. Next year was going to be ugly if they didn't.
GoodDawg4733
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Can you elaborate further?
Dean Legge
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Nostradawgus said:

It's a crap shoot. I would have predicted high achievement at IU coming off that Dayton success.

The Glory years of the General are proving elusive.
IU's last great season under knight was in 1993.

They've been chasing the dragon ever since.

They just are not a big deal any more. Crean did about as well as anyone not named Bobby Knight, and to be honest, Knight's final six years or so at IU were snoozers.

The game pasted him by.

IU is stuck in 1987.

Two Final Fours since.

This century they've missed the NCAAs 11 times.

That's not a basketball power.

That's not a blue blood.

That's Tennessee football.
ahurst344
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Apparently this was funded by 2 alumni/contributors.

One agreed to fund the buyout. The other agreed to fund the new coach.
Dean Legge
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Someone needs to agree to them that they are living in a different time.

They need a little patience. They are not what they used to be at all.

Michigan.
Michigan State.
Wisconsin.
Illinois.
Ohio State.

They are probably middle of the Big Ten right now - at best.

Tough league.
GoodDawg4733
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Yep and you forgot Iowa?

Last final four was with Mike Davis?
ahurst344
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Don't forget Purdue
Klc71
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Lucky *******s......
Dean Legge
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Correct
Dean Legge
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I did forget Purdue and Iowa.
HoosierDawg
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So my mother went to Indiana, Dad went to Georgia, and have loved both deeply as long as I can remember. So this assessment is with some definitely Crimson colored glasses on.

Archie had to go. It just wasn't working. There is a segment of the Indiana fans with unreasonable expectations, kind of living in the past. But Archie wasn't living up to even reasonable expectations. No NCAA tournaments, with an asterisk last year, and no seasons above .500 in the big ten. If he had even snuck in to the tournament barely this year he'd have been kept.

Separate from Archie there is the macro problem of what's gone wrong with IU. Kelvin Sampson was a great coach and a huge problem otherwise. You can make a good argument they should not have fired Crean. But sperate from who the coach is, there has been a complete failure at the administrative level.

The university president McRobbie doesn't care much about athletics. Over the years Millions and Millions of big ten network dollars have been funneled out of the athletic department. The compliance department was very overbearing in the wake of Kelvin Sampson, to the point of making Crean and Archie's lives much harder than they needed to be.

I think some of has been corrected. The old AD and now the new one as well has fought and got new facilities. The compliance depart is supposedly much better. IU will pay the next coach top 15 money nationally. There are reasons to hope.

Indiana is also a great location recruiting wise. Now this is not the same as Georgia's situation in football. With AAU basketball recruiting is much more national. I think IU has hurt itself in Archie's tenure by focusing too much on locking down the state and not finding the right guys wherever they were.

I'm not saying IU can or should return to a basketball super power. But can the right guy get them to be a consistent top 25? I certainly hope so. I think the resources are there.
dawgpostsucks
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Fallout from firing Miller continues w/ a player exodus:

dawgpostsucks
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Indiana planning to hire Mike Woodson as their new head coach. He compiled a 315-365 (46.3%) record w/ the Atlanta Hawks/New York Knicks in eight+ years. Woodson is 63 years old, was born in Indianapolis, and played for the Hoosiers from 1976-'80. Indiana also hiring Thad Motta as assistant AD for men's basketball administration (some of y'all may recall he turned down the UGA HC job in 2018).



Nostradawgus
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The Hawks say good luck with that.
blackmountaindawg
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The Golden Age of Hoosiers' Basketball was the Bob Knight era. Their "Number 2 Golden Age" was the Tom Crean Era.
SidViciousDawg
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blackmountaindawg said:

The Golden Age of Hoosiers' Basketball was the Bob Knight era. Their "Number 2 Golden Age" was the Tom Crean Era.



3 winning conference records in 9 seasons at IU for Crean ... I'm guessing #2, as in needs flushing?
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