College Basketball's Magical Allure Is Vanishing for NBA Draft Prospects

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https://www.si.com/college/2020/04/16/nba-draft-prospects-g-league-college-basketball

The G League announced in 2018 that it would begin offering six-figure contracts to elite prospects, and although that didn't make much of an impact on the 2019 senior class, it could be different this time around.

For an increasing number of players, being paid to perform in front of indifferent crowds for the Maine Red Claws, Reno Big Horns or Fort Wayne Mad Ants is preferable to room, board, tuition and the adoring masses in Rupp Arena or Allen Fieldhouse.

If the association changes its minimum draft age come 2022, more players will skip the college option altogether. But even as it stands now, the G League and other pro leagues are gaining favor with high school stars.
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Man.. If you get a scholly for later, and income now, then why even go to the NCAA route?
yearofthedawg
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I thought the whole idea of insisting on a year of college before going pro was so high school kids would have an easier adjustment. Lot easier leaving home and being around people your age and get a chance to mature and learn to do things on your own and so forth.

If the guys are going to go to a professional league and travel around with adult men all the time anyway, then why not just send them straight to the NBA?
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AirForceDawg said:




The NCAA should have figured out how to pay top prospects something competitive with $500,000 for one year of hoops, with the certainty that the athlete isn't going to stay to graduate?

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while...
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Probably could make more at Kentucky
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yearofthedawg said:

AirForceDawg said:


The NCAA should have figured out how to pay top prospects something competitive with $500,000 for one year of hoops, with the certainty that the athlete isn't going to stay to graduate?

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while...
The author is referring to the NCAA permitting student-athletes to receive Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) compensation from commercial entities (e.g., EA Sports, Instagram, YouTube). If they won't do it, then states (Florida in 2021 and California in 2022) will.

Btw, former Texas A&M WR Ricky Seals-Jones' (a 2013 5* prospect) father said his son received $600,000 offers from one ACC and one SEC school just to sign an NLI and play for them.

Similarly, Cam Newton's father was offered $200,000 for his son (2007 5* QB prospect) to sign w/ Auburn and $180,000 to sign w/ Mississippi State.
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AirForceDawg said:

yearofthedawg said:

AirForceDawg said:


The NCAA should have figured out how to pay top prospects something competitive with $500,000 for one year of hoops, with the certainty that the athlete isn't going to stay to graduate?

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while...
The author is referring to the NCAA permitting student-athletes to receive Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) compensation from commercial entities (e.g., EA Sports, Instagram, YouTube). If they won't do it, then states (Florida in 2021 and California in 2022) will.

Btw, former Texas A&M WR Ricky Seals-Jones' (a 2013 5* prospect) father said his son received $600,000 offers from one ACC and one SEC school just to sign an NLI and play for them.

Similarly, Cam Newton's father was offered $200,000 for his son (2007 5* QB prospect) to sign w/ Auburn and $180,000 to sign w/ Mississippi State.


So you are saying this guy thinks NIL deals will be paying $500k to the athlete, or at least close enough to entice him to go to college instead of turn pro? And remember, this is off their high school selling power only when it comes to hoops.

As far as Cam, I wouldn't doubt it. And didn't at the time. But the comment was about paying players not to go to G League in hoops.
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yearofthedawg said:

AirForceDawg said:

yearofthedawg said:

AirForceDawg said:


The NCAA should have figured out how to pay top prospects something competitive with $500,000 for one year of hoops, with the certainty that the athlete isn't going to stay to graduate?

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while...
The author is referring to the NCAA permitting student-athletes to receive Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) compensation from commercial entities (e.g., EA Sports, Instagram, YouTube). If they won't do it, then states (Florida in 2021 and California in 2022) will.

Btw, former Texas A&M WR Ricky Seals-Jones' (a 2013 5* prospect) father said his son received $600,000 offers from one ACC and one SEC school just to sign an NLI and play for them.

Similarly, Cam Newton's father was offered $200,000 for his son (2007 5* QB prospect) to sign w/ Auburn and $180,000 to sign w/ Mississippi State.
So you are saying this guy thinks NIL deals will be paying $500k to the athlete, or at least close enough to entice him to go to college instead of turn pro? And remember, this is off their high school selling power only when it comes to hoops.
No. The author said: "The NCAA really should've figured out how to let athletes get compensated." Why not let student-athletes profit off their Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) in addition to their scholarship? If UGA profited selling A.J. Green football jerseys, then why should he get suspended 4 games for selling his Independence Bowl Jersey (even though he paid back the $1,000 he received to charity)? Similarly, if UGA profited selling Todd Gurley jerseys, then why should he get suspended four games for selling his autographs on memorabilia (even though he paid back the $3,000 he received and served mandatory community service)? Note that Green/Gurley/et al. didn't receive full cost of attendance stipends to make ends meet (e.g., pay for gas, data for their mobile phones) when they made their decisions. Moreover, why did the NCAA rule UCF kicker Donald De La Haye ineligible for monetizing his YouTube account? I suppose only 501(c)(3) non-profit entities such as the University of Georgia Athletic Association are allowed to profit (they netted $40,830.101 profit last fiscal year).
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Sounds good. Let them all go and the college game will normalize into more three and four year players devoid of stars, but with names that develop a story you can actually remember.
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AirForceDawg said:

yearofthedawg said:

AirForceDawg said:

yearofthedawg said:

AirForceDawg said:


The NCAA should have figured out how to pay top prospects something competitive with $500,000 for one year of hoops, with the certainty that the athlete isn't going to stay to graduate?

That's one of the dumbest things I've heard in a while...
The author is referring to the NCAA permitting student-athletes to receive Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) compensation from commercial entities (e.g., EA Sports, Instagram, YouTube). If they won't do it, then states (Florida in 2021 and California in 2022) will.

Btw, former Texas A&M WR Ricky Seals-Jones' (a 2013 5* prospect) father said his son received $600,000 offers from one ACC and one SEC school just to sign an NLI and play for them.

Similarly, Cam Newton's father was offered $200,000 for his son (2007 5* QB prospect) to sign w/ Auburn and $180,000 to sign w/ Mississippi State.
So you are saying this guy thinks NIL deals will be paying $500k to the athlete, or at least close enough to entice him to go to college instead of turn pro? And remember, this is off their high school selling power only when it comes to hoops.
No. The author said: "The NCAA really should've figured out how to let athletes get compensated." Why not let student-athletes profit off their Name-Image-Likeness (NIL) in addition to their scholarship? If UGA profited selling A.J. Green football jerseys, then why should he get suspended 4 games for selling his Independence Bowl Jersey (even though he paid back the $1,000 he received to charity)? Similarly, if UGA profited selling Todd Gurley jerseys, then why should he get suspended four games for selling his autographs on memorabilia (even though he paid back the $3,000 he received and served mandatory community service)? Note that Green/Gurley/et al. didn't receive full cost of attendance stipends to make ends meet (e.g., pay for gas, data for their mobile phones) when they made their decisions. Moreover, why did the NCAA rule UCF kicker Donald De La Haye ineligible for monetizing his YouTube account? I suppose only 501(c)(3) non-profit entities such as the University of Georgia Athletic Association are allowed to profit (they netted $40,830.101 profit last fiscal year).
How does this work?

Does Nike make and sell every jersey of each player at the same price? Is the bookstore required to have every single jersey on hand so that The University of Georgia is giving every player equal opportunity to have their jersey purchased?

How do you monitor boosters not just paying kids through their Youtube, IG, TikTok, or Twitch account? Would a Twitch donation of 100k be okay?

The point is, its impossible. At that point, you just stop having college football altogether. Just call it what it is, professional. Its not like high level soccer players overseas go to college... they profit from the clubs from young ages. They have Champions League, League 1, League 2, etc.

If we want to pay players, just stop having the NCAA. Why not create a minor league football system and allow people to pay them what they are worth on the market. Why pretend that we care about the "student" part when it comes to football.

Sure, it will kill college sports because football is the money maker and schools wouldn't have an incentive to have sports anymore, but it would be "fair" to the less than 1% of college athletes who would profit now.

We already have this set up in baseball. It is the minor leagues and the vast majority of those guys make less money than your average Georgia grad. There is a reason those kids make a choice to go to D1 colleges over the minors.

I'm open to hearing how paying players would work in a serious way. I just always hear we need to do it. But never hear how. Does everyone get the same amount? Do we pay based on revenues? Do different colleges pay their players more because they make more money? Do colleges who already operate at very slim margins stop sports? Can players get paid their salary and endorsements (Exactly like if they were in the NFL...)?

On a side note, the idea of 501(c)s being not for profit has always been a joke, The tax code needs to be revised for that. That is a totally different issue.
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People treating this like it is some sort of death blow to college basketball are being silly. We already had this, before the one and done. You are talking about maybe 5-10 guys a year at most. Probably less. College Basketball survived 1995-2006 when dudes could skip college. Are changes coming to the amateurism model? Probably. But treating this like some existential threat is dumb.
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"You are talking about maybe 5-10 guys a year at most"

I think that's right.
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HoosierDawg said:

People treating this like it is some sort of death blow to college basketball are being silly. We already had this, before the one and done. You are talking about maybe 5-10 guys a year at most. Probably less. College Basketball survived 1995-2006 when dudes could skip college. Are changes coming to the amateurism model? Probably. But treating this like some existential threat is dumb.


Listen to him on hoops.... he's a Hoosier.
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