Yeah, very inconsistent... They play really well every once in a while, then immediately follow up with poor play. Now they are entering league play and have to be on their game more. It will be pretty hard to get that ticket to the dance. But not completely out of the question if they somehow found a steady groove. Just not sure how they will pull that off.

You dealing with a young team.

Dean Legge said:

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Anthony might be the No 1 pick.

He's a lock to be a lottery pick. That he's inconsistent in college is irrelevant

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I would be surprised if he is still the #1 pick. You may be right though. I follow college football religously but only follow college basketball casually until March Madness. I was expecting more from him based on the pre season hype. He sure isn't impacting games like Zion Williams. That much is for sure.

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Hate to say it but UGA was better coached under Mark Fox. Granted, Crean has recruited better but I see a team with very poor effort and fundamentals:

- Don't ever block out and give up way too many offensive boards
- Consistently outhustled up and down floor, and going for loose balls + rebounds
- Lack of effort on D - give up way too many blow by layups and lob dunks
- Lack of effort on D - give up way too many uncontested 3s
- Did I say lack of effort on D - never fight thru screens
- Nobody consistently moves without the basketball on offense
- Nobody attacks the basket
- Settle for way too many 3s, even guys that can't make'm take'm

As for the Antman, he is a great freshman especially when you consider he should still be a SR in high school. But he is not yet a great college basketball player and he is certainly not ready to be an NBA lottery pick. He can't hold Hagan's jock yet or about 15 others players in college basketball. He doesn't move without the ball. He doesn't attack the basket. He takes plays off on Defense. He makes too many ill advised passes. I have watched at least ten games and he has been a factor in maybe three of them. In this day and age, it will never happen but Edwards should come back for another season.

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Why should he come back for another season? He's a top 3 pick, most likely #1.. What improvements will be made from him coming back to school vs going to the NBA? He will be playing against better competition and he will be playing with better players which opens up the game for him. He won't be strapped down with having to go to class. He will be able to concentrate strictly on basketball. There is zero advantage for him to go back to school for another year. He is that good of a player. Every team schemes their D to take him out of the game. They have zero problem giving up shots to Gresham and Hammonds and Crump and Harris etc. Maybe if other guys stepped up a little more...

Georgia gets beat down low by teams who have more size. That has been the constant in ever game UGA has lost. You need size in basketball. UGA does not have it. Hammonds has ok size.. he's not a post player. Camara is a year away from being great. Rodney Howard is not an SEC basketball player. I would not be surprised if he leaves this offseason. And Peake has some potential to be ok, but he cannot contribute a lick yet. Nobody else has any size. Nick Richards has now killed UGA twice. Reggie Perry killed UGA. Obi Toppin killed UGA. Romello White killed UGA...There's a theme there.. UGA needs post players. Need a guy who can rebound and protect the lane. They just don't have that... Kentucky blocked 8 shots tonight... That is not a sign of a team that doesn't attack the basket... That's a sign they need better players inside to combat that. Crean needs to go out this class and find another Claxton type player

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Mt Dawg said:

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Hate to say it but UGA was better coached under Mark Fox. Granted, Crean has recruited better but I see a team with very poor effort and fundamentals:

- Don't ever block out and give up way too many offensive boards
- Consistently outhustled up and down floor, and going for loose balls + rebounds
- Lack of effort on D - give up way too many blow by layups and lob dunks
- Lack of effort on D - give up way too many uncontested 3s
- Did I say lack of effort on D - never fight thru screens
- Nobody consistently moves without the basketball on offense
- Nobody attacks the basket
- Settle for way too many 3s, even guys that can't make'm take'm

As for the Antman, he is a great freshman especially when you consider he should still be a SR in high school. But he is not yet a great college basketball player and he is certainly not ready to be an NBA lottery pick. He can't hold Hagan's jock yet or about 15 others players in college basketball. He doesn't move without the ball. He doesn't attack the basket. He takes plays off on Defense. He makes too many ill advised passes. I have watched at least ten games and he has been a factor in maybe three of them. In this day and age, it will never happen but Edwards should come back for another season.

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Why should he come back for another season? He's a top 3 pick, most likely #1.. What improvements will be made from him coming back to school vs going to the NBA? He will be playing against better competition and he will be playing with better players which opens up the game for him. He won't be strapped down with having to go to class. He will be able to concentrate strictly on basketball. There is zero advantage for him to go back to school for another year. He is that good of a player. Every team schemes their D to take him out of the game. They have zero problem giving up shots to Gresham and Hammonds and Crump and Harris etc. Maybe if other guys stepped up a little more...

Georgia gets beat down low by teams who have more size. That has been the constant in ever game UGA has lost. You need size in basketball. UGA does not have it. Hammonds has ok size.. he's not a post player. Camara is a year away from being great. Rodney Howard is not an SEC basketball player. I would not be surprised if he leaves this offseason. And Peake has some potential to be ok, but he cannot contribute a lick yet. Nobody else has any size. Nick Richards has now killed UGA twice. Reggie Perry killed UGA. Obi Toppin killed UGA. Romello White killed UGA...There's a theme there.. UGA needs post players. Need a guy who can rebound and protect the lane. They just don't have that... Kentucky blocked 8 shots tonight... That is not a sign of a team that doesn't attack the basket... That's a sign they need better players inside to combat that. Crean needs to go out this class and find another Claxton type player

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We might be talent deficient in the post. But we are even more fundamental deficient. Worst team I have ever seen at blocking out on the defensive boards.

The players hustled their butts off for Fox. Not seeing the same effort for Crean.

Let me know the next time you see a bunch of UGA players moving without the ball!

Crean has 10 new players on this team....10! if you listen to some of his interviews hes teaching basic fundamentals to some of these guys where he houldnt have to, very young very inconsistent on intensity and fundamentals of everything. my god no on Fox, never bothered recruiting top guys plus his slow plodding style couldnt attract top guys.

I would expect Wiseman to go #1. Ant man will be 2 or 3, I think.

CummingDawg22 said:

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The idea that you think he should come back made everything else just noise.

That's an outrageous claim.

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Dude, Antman just isn't that great right now. Name me more than 2-3 games where he has carried UGA to a win this season? If you can't standout in a mediocre basketball conference like the SEC, how in the hell are you going to stand out in the NBA? That is the reality. Teams like Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, etc have multiple players on their teams who impact college games more than Antman. I was hoping for another Dominique Wilkins or Zion Williamson caliber player to walk in the door. If not that good, maybe a Kyrie Irving level guy. He isn't even close to those, at least not yet.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/freshman-rankings-the-top-10-freshmen-in-college-basketball-more-than-halfway-through-the-season/

This I agree with. CBS Sports rates Antman the #4 frosh in college basketball. He disppaers for long stretches of time - see scoreless 1st half tonight. Outplayed by Ashton Hagans in every facet of the game. He has alot of improving to do before he becomes a star in the NBA

Mt Dawg said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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The idea that you think he should come back made everything else just noise.

That's an outrageous claim.

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Dude, Antman just isn't that great right now. Name me more than 2-3 games where he has carried UGA to a win this season? If you can't standout in a mediocre basketball conference like the SEC, how in the hell are you going to stand out in the NBA? That is the reality. Teams like Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, etc have multiple players on their teams who impact college games more than Antman. I was hoping for another Dominique Wilkins or Zion Williamson caliber player to walk in the door. If not that good, maybe a Kyrie Irving level guy. He isn't even close to those, at least not yet.

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Do you watch basketball? I know you said you don't really, and that is clear.

The 3 traditional powers you just threw out because of name aren't great examples this year.

The idea that you think Kansas Duke or Kentucky have guys who impact college basketball more than Edwards is very hot take.

Two of them may not even have a lottery pick. Almost no chance of a top 5 pick.

When Antman gets the ball the floor quickly gets crowded, 3 defenders and 3 of our guys standing around watching, so he settles for a fall away jumper. Set a screen and clear the floor so he can drive might work occasionally. Teams do a great job guarding the rim on Georgia because perimeter shooting is horrible. It goes with the uniform I guess.

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Crean is far better than Fox. We are still suffering through Fox's lack of recruiting. It does not help that Fox screwed us over on Hagans and Kessler.

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How did Fox screw us out of Hagans? As I recall, he was committed to UGA until Fox got fired...

CummingDawg22 said:

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Mt Dawg said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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The idea that you think he should come back made everything else just noise.

That's an outrageous claim.

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Dude, Antman just isn't that great right now. Name me more than 2-3 games where he has carried UGA to a win this season? If you can't standout in a mediocre basketball conference like the SEC, how in the hell are you going to stand out in the NBA? That is the reality. Teams like Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, etc have multiple players on their teams who impact college games more than Antman. I was hoping for another Dominique Wilkins or Zion Williamson caliber player to walk in the door. If not that good, maybe a Kyrie Irving level guy. He isn't even close to those, at least not yet.

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Do you watch basketball? I know you said you don't really, and that is clear.

The 3 traditional powers you just threw out because of name aren't great examples this year.

The idea that you think Kansas Duke or Kentucky have guys who impact college basketball more than Edwards is very hot take.

Two of them may not even have a lottery pick. Almost no chance of a top 5 pick.

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Ashton Hagans was clearly the best player on the floor last night. Vernon Carey at Duke has been much better in terms of impacting games. Kansas has a guy so dominant that he almost literally killed opponents with a chair last night!

I prpbably watch five hames a week of college basketball compared to about 20 games a week of college football - as I have four TVs in one room for Saturdays in the fall. I don't go into the man cave in the winter until March Madness but still watch enough basketball to know Edwards is not one of the top h players in the country. Just because he is drafted high does not automatically make him a good NBA player. There have been many top 5 picks that did not turn into NBA stars. Right now, the best case I can make for Antman becoming an NBA star is his youth. As I said in my first post, he should still be a SR in high school. That is why I think he should come back and polish his game. He has a lot of improving that can be done at the SEC level. Now I jnow that will never happen in this day and age but I think another year in college would make him a better NBA player in the long run.

Mt Dawg said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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Mt Dawg said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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The idea that you think he should come back made everything else just noise.

That's an outrageous claim.

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Dude, Antman just isn't that great right now. Name me more than 2-3 games where he has carried UGA to a win this season? If you can't standout in a mediocre basketball conference like the SEC, how in the hell are you going to stand out in the NBA? That is the reality. Teams like Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, etc have multiple players on their teams who impact college games more than Antman. I was hoping for another Dominique Wilkins or Zion Williamson caliber player to walk in the door. If not that good, maybe a Kyrie Irving level guy. He isn't even close to those, at least not yet.

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Do you watch basketball? I know you said you don't really, and that is clear.

The 3 traditional powers you just threw out because of name aren't great examples this year.

The idea that you think Kansas Duke or Kentucky have guys who impact college basketball more than Edwards is very hot take.

Two of them may not even have a lottery pick. Almost no chance of a top 5 pick.

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Ashton Hagans was clearly the best player on the floor last night. Vernon Carey at Duke has been much better in terms of impacting games. Kansas has a guy so dominant that he almost literally killed opponents with a chair last night!

I prpbably watch five hames a week of college basketball compared to about 20 games a week of college football - as I have four TVs in one room for Saturdays in the fall. I don't go into the man cave in the winter until March Madness but still watch enough basketball to know Edwards is not one of the top h players in the country. Just because he is drafted high does not automatically make him a good NBA player. There have been many top 5 picks that did not turn into NBA stars. Right now, the best case I can make for Antman becoming an NBA star is his youth. As I said in my first post, he should still be a SR in high school. That is why I think he should come back and polish his game. He has a lot of improving that can be done at the SEC level. Now I jnow that will never happen in this day and age but I think another year in college would make him a better NBA player in the long run.

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Nothing automatically makes you a good NBA player. Why would he come back and "improve his skills" when his skills have him in the top 3 making crazy money? Do you really think Crean will do that better than full-time NBA?

First, they (Duke, Kansas, Kentucky) are on far more talented teams. If Edwards didn't come to Georgia, his life on the court would be a lot easier.

Second, the NBA is a completely different game than college. Being a really good college player does not equal super star NBA and vice versa.

The fact is, Edwards is BY FAR the best player on Georgia. It isn't even close. He's asked to do a lot. He would start on every single college basketball team. He would be the best player on 99% (all really) of them. He is putting up good numbers. Without him, Georgia is absolutely terrible. Hell, we might not make the NIT with him.

I'm not sure who you think is dominating college basketball. Kentucky and Duke have really bad losses. Inexcusable really.

I agree with most of your points, Mt. Our defensive effort is horrendous most of the time. We don't have a consistent scoring threat, even Edwards seems to disappear for long stretches of the game. Our shot selection is beyond poor at times. I do wonder about Crean's ability to coach because I have a friend that grew up in Indiana and is a big IU fan (he attended Bobby Knight's camp several times as a teen) and he told me we would regret hiring Crean. However, I do disagree with your take on Antman and his draft status. He will still be a lottery pick for several reasons the least of which are: 1. God given talent - NBA coaches and GM's believe that they can teach him everything he needs to know 2. What player in the NBA really plays any defense?

Mt Dawg said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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Mt Dawg said:

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CummingDawg22 said:

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The idea that you think he should come back made everything else just noise.

That's an outrageous claim.

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Dude, Antman just isn't that great right now. Name me more than 2-3 games where he has carried UGA to a win this season? If you can't standout in a mediocre basketball conference like the SEC, how in the hell are you going to stand out in the NBA? That is the reality. Teams like Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, etc have multiple players on their teams who impact college games more than Antman. I was hoping for another Dominique Wilkins or Zion Williamson caliber player to walk in the door. If not that good, maybe a Kyrie Irving level guy. He isn't even close to those, at least not yet.

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Do you watch basketball? I know you said you don't really, and that is clear.

The 3 traditional powers you just threw out because of name aren't great examples this year.

The idea that you think Kansas Duke or Kentucky have guys who impact college basketball more than Edwards is very hot take.

Two of them may not even have a lottery pick. Almost no chance of a top 5 pick.

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Ashton Hagans was clearly the best player on the floor last night. Vernon Carey at Duke has been much better in terms of impacting games. Kansas has a guy so dominant that he almost literally killed opponents with a chair last night!

I prpbably watch five hames a week of college basketball compared to about 20 games a week of college football - as I have four TVs in one room for Saturdays in the fall. I don't go into the man cave in the winter until March Madness but still watch enough basketball to know Edwards is not one of the top h players in the country. Just because he is drafted high does not automatically make him a good NBA player. There have been many top 5 picks that did not turn into NBA stars. Right now, the best case I can make for Antman becoming an NBA star is his youth. As I said in my first post, he should still be a SR in high school. That is why I think he should come back and polish his game. He has a lot of improving that can be done at the SEC level. Now I jnow that will never happen in this day and age but I think another year in college would make him a better NBA player in the long run.

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How would he improve his game playing in college vs playing in the NBA? How does playing with worse talent against worse talent and not being able to focus 1000% on just basketball improve his game? It makes no sense that would make him a better NBA player... You only come back to school to improve your draft status, which he cannot do since he is already at the top

Hagans was committed until Fox got fired.

Look....they SUCK!! And I for one will not watch them until they don't SUCK!! Antman won't have to play D in the Association...but he has to now or become a one and done joke on UGA! How does his recruitment and now the team play going to excite anyone, much less a good player. Give me a break...embarrassing!!!

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thedogfather said:

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Crean is far better than Fox. We are still suffering through Fox's lack of recruiting. It does not help that Fox screwed us over on Hagans and Kessler.

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How did Fox screw us out of Hagans? As I recall, he was committed to UGA until Fox got fired...

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On the way out the door, Fox played the victim has hard as he could. It pretty much salted the earth with UGA recruits he had been connected with. Take a look at Hagans' quote posted by AirForce in this thread. Crean never had a chance to bring him back into the fold because of the way Fox handled his exit.

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ugalee said:

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thedogfather said:

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Crean is far better than Fox. We are still suffering through Fox's lack of recruiting. It does not help that Fox screwed us over on Hagans and Kessler.

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How did Fox screw us out of Hagans? As I recall, he was committed to UGA until Fox got fired...

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On the way out the door, Fox played the victim has hard as he could. It pretty much salted the earth with UGA recruits he had been connected with. Take a look at Hagans' quote posted by AirForce in this thread. Crean never had a chance to bring him back into the fold because of the way Fox handled his exit.

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I mean, people decommit from programs all the time when a coach gets fired. I see kind of the opposite that you see in Hagans' quote. He had no relationship with Crean, because Crean had been out of coaching and thus not recruiting.

I could be 100% wrong on this, but I just don't see how he screwed us with him.

I think the ant man is special. He's inconsistent so what. He plays defense ok,just wait his game will be awesome in a couple of years.

Factor in this as well: Ashton Hagans will be 21 in July; Anthony Edwards will be 19 in Aug. Yes Georgia turns the ball over but most of their losses results from the lack of post play or size as one of the posters had mentioned. Kentucky is a bigger team with more older talent at 4 of the five positions on the court. Calipari as well as Howland went big in the second half and Georgia cannot match it. You can scream fundamentals all day but blocking out, charges, physical basketball, and play on elbows will favor the bigger team if the whistle is also in your favor. Yes, some freshmen are outplaying Edwards but those freshmen are probably on better teams with more offensive threats or size.

Anyone at the Ole Miss game care to make an argument that Edwards is ready for the NBA? No way, no how. Was maybe and I restate maybe one of the top 5 players on the floor at Stegman yesterday.

Love the kid and love that he chose UGA. If he would have stayed in his class, he would no doubt be tearing up HS competition this year. I stand by the fact that Antman needs to stay at UGA for a second year and develop his game. He will probably get drafted top 5 but is destined to spend a couple of seasons on the bench from what I see,

Basically, if he comes out, he is going straight from HS to the pros based on his age. His young body probably isn't ready for an 82 game schedule + playoffs. I have seen where Creen has said he has hit a wall this year. Don't want to see him become another one and done bust like Anthony Bennett, Brandon Wright and Donte Greens.

When I saw ole miss hit 3 pointers in a row by bank shots I knew it was going to be a long nite. And so it was