Iowa State AD lays out why playing in the fall, or this year, is so critical

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Dean Legge
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If you have time pease read some of this. This echoes what I am hearing from folks in admin around the south

https://cyclones.com/news/2020/7/13/athletics-pollard-addresses-cyclone-nation.aspx#.Xwx5YjZIyn0.twitter
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Good lord, who knew to just what extent these unpaid college football players have been putting the financial solvency of entire universities on their backs?

Not until faced with the elimination, albeit temporary, of college football are we seeing the power brokers level with us as to how important this sport really is. Exhibit A- Iowa State President's alarming letter.

We can argue all day as to whether these kids need to see some of this revenue, as it's clearly vital to higher learning on so many levels, much more so than simply finding the other programs. Employment, salaries, research, grants, and a trickle down to the quality of education itself for each individual student are factors in play when this juggernaut Is halted.

Paying players aside, what can be argued rather successfully, as evidenced in this open letter, is the health risks are too low for Covid 19 and the players involved to cancel the season and accept the direct consequences to the overall university systems. A risk/reward evaluation clearly supports playing.

Tee it up, fellas. Let's play ball.
Trackdawg073
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It's important to not that while Georgia has a truly massive rainy day fund and very little debt that would truly threaten the AA with insolvency, most (>70%) of college athletic departments do not. Not only that, but without any revenue this fall, even UGA would be forced to make some deep cuts to all programs. There are some schools though, looking at you Tennessee, who might actually risk insolvency with no revenue. While one might dislike the athletic department business model regarding paying players, but the fact of the matter is that thousands upon thousands of Jobs and livelihoods depend on it. Not to mention the importance of athletic department revenues to other businesses around college towns. Those jobs also depend on football season happening in some form.
Dean Legge
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Berlusconi said:

Good lord, who knew to just what extent these unpaid college football players have been putting the financial solvency of entire universities on their backs?

Not until faced with the elimination, albeit temporary, of college football are we seeing the power brokers level with us as to how important this sport really is. Exhibit A- Iowa State President's alarming letter.

We can argue all day as to whether these kids need to see some of this revenue, as it's clearly vital to higher learning on so many levels, much more so than simply finding the other programs. Employment, salaries, research, grants, and a trickle down to the quality of education itself for each individual student are factors in play when this juggernaut Is halted.

Paying players aside, what can be argued rather successfully, as evidenced in this open letter, is the health risks are too low for Covid 19 and the players involved to cancel the season and accept the direct consequences to the overall university systems. A risk/reward evaluation clearly supports playing.

Tee it up, fellas. Let's play ball.


He's back.
Dean Legge
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Trackdawg073 said:

It's important to not that while Georgia has a truly massive rainy day fund and very little debt that would truly threaten the AA with insolvency, most (>70%) of college athletic departments do not. Not only that, but without any revenue this fall, even UGA would be forced to make some deep cuts to all programs. There are some schools though, looking at you Tennessee, who might actually risk insolvency with no revenue. While one might dislike the athletic department business model regarding paying players, but the fact of the matter is that thousands upon thousands of Jobs and livelihoods depend on it. Not to mention the importance of athletic department revenues to other businesses around college towns. Those jobs also depend on football season happening in some form.


No doubt. It is a huge industry. Billions a year.
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If the risks of having football only put players at risk, the players could decide if those are risks they want to assume--and each could go their own direction WITHOUT retaliation. (Kind of like each state's schools should be able to decide which way to go with restarting in-class instruction without retaliation--such as the White House withholding federal funds from them if they elect to protect their children's health/lives).

But, in the case of both college football and our kids going back to class, the football players and children are not even close to the only ones put at risk. Every student, every player puts everyone they contact at risk by participating. The athletes put every support person in their system at risk, the students put every family member and every teacher/support member at risk also. Not only are many of these people high risk but each one affected becomes another a source of spread, even if asymptomatic.

We are in trouble nationally because we refused to separate and mask when we had the chance. We made it even worse when we opened states as if it did not matter. Making another major mistake, and on a grander scale, is not the answer.

I believe it was a Florida legislator that opined that the elderly would be glad sacrifice themselves and die if it meant getting things back to normal--he meant the stock market. I'll bet you won't find one student willing to sacrifice a parent, grandparent or otherwise so he can aid Wall Street, I mean get education back on track, as Trump insists.

Opening sports or schools to disaster is not justifiable in order to avoid the consequences of poor financial planning in our college budgets. Maybe the current realization will lead colleges to retool their budget priorities.
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viperoy said:

If the risks of having football only put players at risk, the players could decide if those are risks they want to assume--and each could go their own direction WITHOUT retaliation. (Kind of like each state's schools should be able to decide which way to go with restarting in-class instruction without retaliation--such as the White House withholding federal funds from them if they elect to protect their children's health/lives).

But, in the case of both college football and our kids going back to class, the football players and children are not even close to the only ones put at risk. Every student, every player puts everyone they contact at risk by participating. The athletes put every support person in their system at risk, the students put every family member and every teacher/support member at risk also. Not only are many of these people high risk but each one affected becomes another a source of spread, even if asymptomatic.

We are in trouble nationally because we refused to separate and mask when we had the chance. We made it even worse when we opened states as if it did not matter. Making another major mistake, and on a grander scale, is not the answer.

I believe it was a Florida legislator that opined that the elderly would be glad sacrifice themselves and die if it meant getting things back to normal--he meant the stock market. I'll bet you won't find one student willing to sacrifice a parent, grandparent or otherwise so he can aid Wall Street, I mean get education back on track, as Trump insists.

Opening sports or schools to disaster is not justifiable in order to avoid the consequences of poor financial planning in our college budgets. Maybe the current realization will lead colleges to retool their budget priorities.
We are in trouble nationally because we refused to separate and mask when we had the chance.

Vipeoy- Evidence please

Opening sports or schools to disaster is not justifiable ***

** Just add "in your opinion" after this statement. This is not a fact, just your opinion
Dirtydawgs
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CDC.gov deaths. 177 deaths last week total and 55 of those were over 85 y/o.

cases are going up but this thing has run its course for now.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
jbranch
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Dirtydawgs said:

CDC.gov deaths. 177 deaths last week total and 55 of those were over 85 y/o.

cases are going up but this thing has run its course for now.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
Those numbers are obviously incomplete, as noted on the site.

"It is important to note that it can take several weeks for death records to be submitted to National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), processed, coded, and tabulated. Therefore, the data shown on this page may be incomplete, and will likely not include all deaths that occurred during a given time period, especially for the more recent time periods. Death counts for earlier weeks are continually revised and may increase or decrease as new and updated death certificate data are received from the states by NCHS. COVID-19 death counts shown here may differ from other published sources, as data currently are lagged by an average of 12 weeks."

The state of Georgia's Dept. of Health alone reported 74 deaths between 6/28 - 7/4.
The state of Florida's DOH reported 360 deaths between 6/28 - 7/4.
Trackdawg073
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He's allergic to evidence, which is why he consistently resorts to implications that those who disagree with him want to see people die. He is just a troll, don't give him the time of day
Bulldawg1
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They have had more than 18,600 documented Covid-19 deaths this year. Yesterday, for the 1st time since this hit, marked the 1st day that there were no reported deaths from Covid-19.

I know this is not the only statistic and lots of things are up for debate, but I think it's fantastic that one of the worst/hardest hit spots in our nation had no deaths yesterday. At it's peak, NYC reported as many as 597 deaths in one day from the virus. I am hopeful this is good news for us all. It's always good when we can say no one died from this during a day in a city as large as NYC - more than 8 million people.
yearofthedawg
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Dirtydawgs, saying this is over for now flat out isn't true. The nationwide death count is rising again, driven by Florida, Texas, and California. I said July 1 that if we finish the month without rising it would be huge. Not panicking over the increases so far, because even though they are going up they aren't back to where they were a month ago. The next few weeks will be important.

Bulldawg1 its indeed awesome to have a day without deaths in the former #1 hotspot. In most states that would be tainted because its a weekend (many states don't report fully on weekends), but NY has been pretty conscientious about reporting on weekends.

Fingers crossed.

viperoy
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Dirtydawgs said:

CDC.gov deaths. 177 deaths last week total and 55 of those were over 85 y/o.

cases are going up but this thing has run its course for now.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
"117 deaths"--where did that number come from? Go to https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-deaths-united-states-each-day-2020-n1177936 and look at death counts in the last 7 days. The death count for the past week for four states alone (FL, CA, NJ and TX) was TWO THOUSAND AND EIGHTEEN--and death numbers lags behind the increasing number of positive tests for several weeks so the death rate is going to rise. Tell the truth. We ain't licked a damn thing.

At least 133,901 people have died in the US from COVID-19, according to a count by The New York Times. The US Centers for Disease Control projects that number could be as high as 160,000 by the end of July.


Dirtydawgs
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Seems that every website, every stat is skewed to fit a narrative.

I just try to trust the CDC over NBC News.

Who knows? The CDC death graph is trending down. 177 was the total number they listed last week. I'm not doing the tally.

yearofthedawg
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Dirtydawgs said:

Seems that every website, every stat is skewed to fit a narrative.

I just try to trust the CDC over NBC News.

Who knows? The CDC death graph is trending down. 177 was the total number they listed last week. I'm not doing the tally.


The CDC has been working from the beginning to both try to assign deaths to the day of death (versus reporting day) and look at incremental deaths (over and above those that would have died anyway) to assess impact of the virus. Both are laudable goals IMO, but result in more lag time before we get final numbers than just going with reporting day. This is at odds with our "I gotta know NOW" culture.

The reverse situation: Florida deaths hit an all time high today at 132, though part of it was certainly spillover from non-reporting on the weekend. Still an ugly number of course.
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Dirtydawgs said:

Seems that every website, every stat is skewed to fit a narrative.

I just try to trust the CDC over NBC News.

Who knows? The CDC death graph is trending down. 177 was the total number they listed last week. I'm not doing the tally.
I was trying to help you understand the data you were using to fit your narrative. If you look at the same link today, it's up to 522 for the week of 7/4. It will continue to go higher as the CDC retroactively updates its numbers.

The CDC's Covid Data Tracker found here lists 135,235 total deaths. If you add up the total provisional deaths in the chart you linked to, it totals 114,738. I know this because I downloaded the data set and did the tally for you. That's a significant disparity, and it's easily understood once you realize the information captured and illustrated in that chart is incomplete.

The same data set you linked to shows just 28k total deaths from all causes during the week ending 7/4. That should be a giveaway that it's incomplete data when America averages over 50k deaths per week even without a pandemic.

This same data table will be even less reliable (in real time) given the administration has asked states to stop sending the data to the CDC, and instead provide it to HHS. That's not a political statement; I'm simply stating that you should rely less and less on that specific chart as grounds for feeling good (or bad) about where we're headed.

Dirtydawgs
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Those damn CDC rascals! They even tried to tell us smoking was bad! Jackley basta4ds!
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